Controverted Point: That animals may be reborn among the devas.

Theravādin: Do you then imply that conversely devas are reborn as animals? Or that the deva-world is an animal kingdom? That there may there be found moths, beetles, gnats, flies, snakes, scorpions, centipedes, earthworms? You deny all this. Then you cannot maintain your proposition… .

Andhakas: But is not the wondrous elephant Eravaṇa there the thousand-wise yoked celestial mount?

Theravādin: But are there also elephant and horse stables there, and fodder and trainers and grooms?…