At Sāvatthī. Seated to one side, that mendicant said to the Buddha: “Sir, they speak of a ‘Dhamma speaker’. How is a Dhamma speaker defined?” “Mendicant, if a mendicant teaches Dhamma for disillusionment with form, for its fading away and cessation, they’re qualified to be called a ‘mendicant who speaks on Dhamma’. If they practice for disillusionment with form, for its fading away and cessation, they’re qualified to be called a ‘mendicant who practices in line with the teaching’. If they’re freed by not grasping by disillusionment with form, by its fading away and cessation, they’re qualified to be called a ‘mendicant who has attained extinguishment in this very life’. If a mendicant teaches Dhamma for disillusionment with feeling … perception … choices … consciousness, for its fading away and cessation, they’re qualified to be called a ‘mendicant who speaks on Dhamma’. If they practice for disillusionment with consciousness, for its fading away and cessation, they’re qualified to be called a ‘mendicant who practices in line with the teaching’. If they’re freed by not grasping by disillusionment with consciousness, by its fading away and cessation, they’re qualified to be called a ‘mendicant who has attained extinguishment in this very life’.”